1
00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:09,290
no we're live you guys want to go ahead

2
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:11,550
and get your feet shared there and we'll

3
00:00:15,379 --> 00:00:14,490
get everything rolling yeah who are we

4
00:00:18,590 --> 00:00:15,389
doing today

5
00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:18,600
so yeah so well everybody is sharing

6
00:00:23,330 --> 00:00:20,910
where else they may wherever they'd like

7
00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:23,340
first off right now if you guys are

8
00:00:28,759 --> 00:00:25,380
watching this I hope you catch most of

9
00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:28,769
this part well Facebook to see your name

10
00:00:32,690 --> 00:00:30,900
it'd be nice to be hey Steve wants to

11
00:00:34,910 --> 00:00:32,700
ask you know lo a question or whatever

12
00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:34,920
maybe allow Facebook to just see your

13
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:37,260
name while we do this so happy Sunday

14
00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:39,690
this is M but I'm just gonna read my

15
00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:42,870
mine I sing I wrote out here so of

16
00:00:47,209 --> 00:00:45,090
course I am Shannon the grow up into the

17
00:00:49,369 --> 00:00:47,219
fray and along with Derek ace of

18
00:00:52,369 --> 00:00:49,379
monsters among us we created this

19
00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:52,379
paranormal podcast ellipse and this is

20
00:00:59,660 --> 00:00:56,690
the third and final edition actually and

21
00:01:03,380 --> 00:00:59,670
but on this round we have an amazing

22
00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:03,390
panel to cover not only alien abductions

23
00:01:08,870 --> 00:01:07,110
but the Lizardman of scape ore swamp so

24
00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:08,880
sorry that's my bird in the background

25
00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:12,570
holy God so I want to just go through

26
00:01:17,780 --> 00:01:14,729
really quickly and introduce everybody

27
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:17,790
I'm sure most of our our listeners or

28
00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:19,890
Watchers know who these panelists are

29
00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:22,650
but I want to go down the line and I

30
00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:26,040
want to start with mr. mica Hanks and he

31
00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:28,710
is of course he's an author he is a

32
00:01:33,140 --> 00:01:31,560
podcaster of a plethora of podcast we

33
00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:33,150
don't even have time to mention all

34
00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:35,310
those right Micah so you know you guys

35
00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:37,590
can find him weekly on the Micah

36
00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:40,590
thanks program welcome good sir well

37
00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:43,500
good to be here yeah and you know in the

38
00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:45,180
hallowed halls of this digital realm

39
00:01:49,969 --> 00:01:47,460
that now everybody is occupying strange

40
00:01:51,469 --> 00:01:49,979
times but I guess stranger times for us

41
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:51,479
since we all kind of keep it pretty

42
00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:53,850
strange anyway huh well we like keeping

43
00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:55,619
it real strange around these parts yes

44
00:02:01,550 --> 00:01:59,130
we do next up is rob morphe he is part

45
00:02:04,580 --> 00:02:01,560
of the triple threat over at the crypto

46
00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:04,590
not podcast and met I just say Rob and I

47
00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:06,420
hazard to say I think I know where your

48
00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:09,599
art came from your logo for Krypton idea

49
00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:10,259
is me

50
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:11,879
be one of the most bad-to-the-bone and

51
00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:13,890
original logos I've ever seen so Rob

52
00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:16,110
Murphy of kryptonite welcome thank you

53
00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:18,360
very much it it's not gonna be here

54
00:02:23,929 --> 00:02:20,730
among all of my esteemed colleagues and

55
00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:23,939
I'm really glad participate and and yes

56
00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:27,209
yes we uh we love we love our pop

57
00:02:31,309 --> 00:02:29,280
culture icons over at kryptonite and we

58
00:02:34,330 --> 00:02:31,319
embrace them almost as much as the

59
00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:34,340
paranormal so thank you for having us

60
00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:37,049
absolutely and of course who better to

61
00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:39,599
have on if we are talking to desert man

62
00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:42,239
then a Lyle Blackburn himself he

63
00:02:47,930 --> 00:02:44,489
literally boom there he goes look at

64
00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:47,940
that he's rapping right there yeah Wow

65
00:02:52,729 --> 00:02:50,430
literally wrote a book on the Lizardman

66
00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:52,739
of Bishopville and that is what we were

67
00:02:58,039 --> 00:02:54,920
covering in the second half of this

68
00:03:00,640 --> 00:02:58,049
livestream author and researcher law

69
00:03:05,539 --> 00:03:00,650
Blackburn welcome thanks for having me

70
00:03:08,809 --> 00:03:05,549
and last but not least anyone familiar

71
00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:08,819
with ITF knows the last lovely gentleman

72
00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:11,489
there and he won't know how fitting this

73
00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:13,970
is but I had this already written out

74
00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:18,810
before this evening started you you know

75
00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:20,370
him from somewhere in the skies

76
00:03:25,939 --> 00:03:23,280
I call him rile oh you may know him as

77
00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:25,949
plaid man or you can just call him Ryan

78
00:03:30,349 --> 00:03:27,810
Sprague but as Ryan Sprague of somewhere

79
00:03:35,379 --> 00:03:30,359
in the skies process welcome thank you

80
00:03:40,030 --> 00:03:37,930
first thing I found on the ground so

81
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:40,040
yeah I thought it would be appropriate

82
00:03:46,339 --> 00:03:43,290
Dana yeah thank you guys all for being

83
00:03:49,069 --> 00:03:46,349
here I need to check the the live

84
00:03:51,140 --> 00:03:49,079
comments already so yeah first up you

85
00:03:54,979 --> 00:03:51,150
know we're gonna run with with alien

86
00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:54,989
abductions and of course this is such a

87
00:04:00,770 --> 00:03:57,810
hot-button topic and it can go down so

88
00:04:03,349 --> 00:04:00,780
many different rabbit holes I mean I

89
00:04:05,689 --> 00:04:03,359
don't know if anybody wants to jump in I

90
00:04:07,399 --> 00:04:05,699
mean do you have any large thoughts on

91
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:07,409
alien abductions in and of themselves

92
00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:10,530
like what's going on there Reince break

93
00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:13,680
go oh man pressures on alright yeah I

94
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:16,440
mean I deal with abductions probably on

95
00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:20,250
a daily basis so this is a topic near

96
00:04:24,780 --> 00:04:22,620
and dear to my heart it does not however

97
00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:24,790
mean that I

98
00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:27,770
100% buy into it I mean I think there

99
00:04:33,790 --> 00:04:31,430
are many things that alien abductions

100
00:04:36,190 --> 00:04:33,800
could be attributed to but when you are

101
00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:36,200
left as I'm sure Micah can agree with no

102
00:04:42,129 --> 00:04:39,590
other prosaic explanation as to the

103
00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:42,139
veracity of a witness or the person

104
00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:44,360
claiming that this happened when you're

105
00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:46,070
no longer left with an answer that's

106
00:04:51,159 --> 00:04:47,540
where I really go huh

107
00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:51,169
there might be something to this so yeah

108
00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:53,120
for anyone who knows my work in the UFO

109
00:04:58,510 --> 00:04:55,550
field I deal specifically with witnesses

110
00:05:02,620 --> 00:04:58,520
and experiences that's my kind of my

111
00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:02,630
approach to you father is to is to deal

112
00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:04,639
with the people and how these things

113
00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:06,470
affect them in the aftermath of an

114
00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:08,810
abduction or a UFO sighting and what

115
00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:10,850
role it plays in your life overall so

116
00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:13,760
when it comes to abductions it's a tough

117
00:05:21,969 --> 00:05:18,800
subject scary it's uncomfortable it's

118
00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:21,979
controversial and it's extremely

119
00:05:25,690 --> 00:05:23,600
traumatizing for a lot of people who

120
00:05:28,090 --> 00:05:25,700
claim that this has happened to them so

121
00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:28,100
I mean if there's anything I can say

122
00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:30,110
after interviewing hundreds of people

123
00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:33,320
who have claimed this again the the

124
00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:35,300
credibility of the people I've spoken to

125
00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:37,910
for every walk of life you can think of

126
00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:40,250
every belief system the fact that this

127
00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:42,289
many people are claiming this there's

128
00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:43,430
something to be said about that

129
00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:45,380
what the phenomenon is I don't know I'm

130
00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:47,090
still trying to figure that out as I'm

131
00:05:51,820 --> 00:05:49,520
sure the rest of us will for the rest of

132
00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:51,830
our lives so yeah that's that's I guess

133
00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:55,520
my primary yeah you know if I might jump

134
00:06:00,820 --> 00:05:57,710
in on that to Ryan I sure your interest

135
00:06:03,129 --> 00:06:00,830
in that obviously because with the UFO

136
00:06:05,379 --> 00:06:03,139
subject even if you are more of a nuts

137
00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:05,389
and bolts person who just looks at craft

138
00:06:10,180 --> 00:06:07,310
reports you know unidentified flying

139
00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:10,190
objects which I primarily do eventually

140
00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:12,620
you're going to get to the designations

141
00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:13,970
you know the close encounter

142
00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:16,820
you know the CES one two and three is J

143
00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:19,039
Allen Hynek head you know laborious Lee

144
00:06:23,230 --> 00:06:21,770
tried to work out designations for you

145
00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:23,240
know someone sees a landing craft or

146
00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:25,039
even maybe a craft still in the sky but

147
00:06:28,390 --> 00:06:26,330
one that's close enough that it's you

148
00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:28,400
know creating some sort of an observable

149
00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:30,530
effect on the environment and then of

150
00:06:34,899 --> 00:06:32,390
course eventually people describing that

151
00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:34,909
they see the alleged occupants and so

152
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:36,950
when Ryan says we

153
00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:38,570
to kind of be careful well I'm

154
00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:40,250
paraphrasing around only put words in

155
00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:41,390
your mouth but we have to kind of be

156
00:06:46,150 --> 00:06:43,880
careful and say you know maybe suspend

157
00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:46,160
belief in disbelief and just try to look

158
00:06:49,780 --> 00:06:47,720
at what reports you know actually

159
00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:49,790
describe there are certainly some

160
00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:52,460
credible cases of abduction but then

161
00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:54,800
again also UFOs like so many 40 in the

162
00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:56,930
subjects are one of those things that we

163
00:06:59,980 --> 00:06:58,520
always struggle with the fact that

164
00:07:01,900 --> 00:06:59,990
people say that they see things they

165
00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:01,910
have experiences and yet where is that

166
00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:03,440
physical evidence which is interesting

167
00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:05,030
because there's a cryptozoological

168
00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:07,190
tie-in here too as my colleague Lao

169
00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:09,260
certainly is aware of you know we've got

170
00:07:14,860 --> 00:07:11,960
a lot of rich history in American Indian

171
00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:14,870
legends and mythology of abductions with

172
00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:16,550
relation to creatures like Sasquatch and

173
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:18,320
things like that so from me I always

174
00:07:22,570 --> 00:07:20,690
wonder why is the abduction motif

175
00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:22,580
actually prevalent throughout of a wide

176
00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:25,010
range of different fields that fall sort

177
00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:28,910
of under 40 onna you know I would agree

178
00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:31,370
that it is the broad spectrum element of

179
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:33,350
this that are at times the most

180
00:07:39,370 --> 00:07:37,490
intriguing um but what fascinates me

181
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:39,380
more than anything else I think is the

182
00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:41,210
sociological aspect and this is

183
00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:42,590
something a little bit that both you

184
00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:45,680
Ryan and you mica were or you know

185
00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:49,450
touching on to which is that whatever it

186
00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:52,340
represents the trauma is real for these

187
00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:55,040
individuals the experience is real in

188
00:07:58,750 --> 00:07:56,840
the perception of a lot of individuals

189
00:08:01,450 --> 00:07:58,760
regardless of whether or not it is a

190
00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:01,460
quarry illumine on or if it is a

191
00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:04,240
metaphysical one or if it is completely

192
00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:06,320
psychological and you literally have to

193
00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:07,790
leave the door open to all of it you

194
00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:10,310
have to have genuine sympathy and and

195
00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:12,440
it's a phenomenon that in hands to be

196
00:08:18,460 --> 00:08:15,740
studied but but the thing about it for

197
00:08:20,770 --> 00:08:18,470
me is what keeps me kind of on my toes

198
00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:20,780
and my skeptic hat on is that it's

199
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:24,500
incredibly sloppy science the way these

200
00:08:30,340 --> 00:08:27,170
abductions take place I mean it really

201
00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:30,350
seems like not far removed with say how

202
00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:33,020
a standard human naturalist would put

203
00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:35,900
down and help temporarily tag them check

204
00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:37,729
the reproductive organs make sure every

205
00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:39,650
said all with like a you know but never

206
00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:41,990
lit intentions you know it might start

207
00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:43,970
the animal little terrifying it wakes up

208
00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:45,350
it runs back to its herd that's like

209
00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:47,870
dude this happened and it seems like

210
00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:49,370
it's that way for us and I'm thinking if

211
00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:50,110
these

212
00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:51,310
teachers really have figured out how to

213
00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:54,130
traverse the cosmos in seconds or time

214
00:08:58,889 --> 00:08:56,110
itself or create interdimensional

215
00:09:01,769 --> 00:08:58,899
portals if they if they are not enslaved

216
00:09:05,069 --> 00:09:01,779
to gravity why is it that like we see so

217
00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:05,079
many stories of like hybrid human grey

218
00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:08,110
alien women actively physically seducing

219
00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:10,300
men I mean that seems to play into a

220
00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:13,060
weird psychological construct that goes

221
00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:15,070
much deeper and is not scientifically

222
00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:16,360
the least though I find it fascinating

223
00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:18,070
on the side where I want to be

224
00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:19,720
empathetic towards those who are

225
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:21,970
suffering the trauma of having endured

226
00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:23,490
this no matter what it may be but

227
00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:26,230
objective in the sense that this seems a

228
00:09:31,290 --> 00:09:28,750
lot more bizarre and miserable than a

229
00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:31,300
simple scientific experiment this is

230
00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:33,490
more than just things coming here to see

231
00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:36,250
what's going on scientifically like the

232
00:09:41,699 --> 00:09:38,350
way you any scientific expedition would

233
00:09:46,889 --> 00:09:41,709
there's something nastier for lack of a

234
00:09:48,870 --> 00:09:46,899
better term just from the and oh sorry

235
00:09:51,329 --> 00:09:48,880
love you have anything that you wanted

236
00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:51,339
to add in there I mean it's it's a

237
00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:53,290
subject that I haven't researched

238
00:10:00,030 --> 00:09:57,730
heavily I mean I'm more of a observer in

239
00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:00,040
that kind of stuff and I mean I find the

240
00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:03,100
alien abduction category truly

241
00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:03,670
frightening

242
00:10:09,389 --> 00:10:06,790
I mean people you know I go in swamps

243
00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:09,399
and look for unknown creatures and

244
00:10:13,769 --> 00:10:11,680
people may or may not think that's

245
00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:13,779
spooky to do but I think the whole alien

246
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:16,870
abduction stuff and so it's nice in some

247
00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:18,850
ways that I can sit back and just kind

248
00:10:22,769 --> 00:10:20,290
of soak that in without having to be

249
00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:22,779
immersed in the research you know but

250
00:10:28,139 --> 00:10:26,140
I'm like anybody any of you guys and as

251
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:28,149
far as a balanced view of whether this

252
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:30,010
is a true phenomenon or whether it's

253
00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:33,130
something else to it but I find it truly

254
00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:35,140
fascinating and truly frightening and

255
00:10:40,019 --> 00:10:36,730
that says a lot if he'd rather be in a

256
00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:40,029
swamp looking for critters then have to

257
00:10:54,329 --> 00:10:49,800
craft being you know scrutinized if you

258
00:10:56,430 --> 00:10:54,339
will to put it nicely that's been a real

259
00:10:58,050 --> 00:10:56,440
nice I like that Rob do you happen to

260
00:10:59,639 --> 00:10:58,060
have a haunted house I mean I'm not

261
00:11:01,019 --> 00:10:59,649
familiar with your actual home but

262
00:11:03,049 --> 00:11:01,029
somebody said they saw nowhere behind

263
00:11:05,329 --> 00:11:03,059
you so I want to keep

264
00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:05,339
for that it could be it could be a

265
00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:07,769
really poor housekeeping which I think

266
00:11:11,689 --> 00:11:10,049
ability to so it's been different

267
00:11:13,819 --> 00:11:11,699
floating dust bunny catching the light

268
00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:13,829
just right or it could be grandma I'm

269
00:11:22,219 --> 00:11:18,929
not gonna yeah so a question from Jeb

270
00:11:24,349 --> 00:11:22,229
Byron of Bigfoot society what's up

271
00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:24,359
Jeremiah what do you all make of the

272
00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:26,279
mass UFO sightings recently in April

273
00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:31,889
across the u.s. yeah I guess I'll hop in

274
00:11:36,889 --> 00:11:33,689
my god I could see us both getting ready

275
00:11:38,389 --> 00:11:36,899
I mean I probably I probably know just

276
00:11:40,369 --> 00:11:38,399
as much as my kid does about these

277
00:11:42,889 --> 00:11:40,379
events we're talking I believe it was

278
00:11:46,249 --> 00:11:42,899
Detroit Michigan Cleveland Ohio and

279
00:11:48,739 --> 00:11:46,259
Sanitas California we had mass UFO

280
00:11:50,749 --> 00:11:48,749
sightings very similar to the Phoenix

281
00:11:54,409 --> 00:11:50,759
lights we're we're talking these orange

282
00:11:56,989 --> 00:11:54,419
orbs you know just in a either V

283
00:12:00,499 --> 00:11:56,999
formation or a semicircle formation

284
00:12:03,709 --> 00:12:00,509
being seen over these major cities even

285
00:12:06,829 --> 00:12:03,719
Tom DeLonge the gentleman we all know

286
00:12:08,719 --> 00:12:06,839
now is the UFO guru caught video of this

287
00:12:11,989 --> 00:12:08,729
thing threw it up on Instagram and then

288
00:12:13,969 --> 00:12:11,999
of course people like nuts now what they

289
00:12:16,609 --> 00:12:13,979
are I think that's still being

290
00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:16,619
investigated but I know for at least the

291
00:12:22,339 --> 00:12:19,849
Encinitas event the military did take

292
00:12:24,349 --> 00:12:22,349
did take responsibility for that being

293
00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:24,359
flares just like they did and the

294
00:12:29,859 --> 00:12:27,389
Phoenix lights in 1997 but as for

295
00:12:32,179 --> 00:12:29,869
Detroit Michigan and Cleveland Ohio I

296
00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:32,189
haven't seen any answers for that one

297
00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:36,089
yet but it almost speaks to the the the

298
00:12:41,869 --> 00:12:38,969
greater the bigger picture here of we're

299
00:12:44,899 --> 00:12:41,879
all home now we're all quarantined we're

300
00:12:47,149 --> 00:12:44,909
all you know we're not doing our daily

301
00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,159
routines of going to work and looking at

302
00:12:50,689 --> 00:12:48,959
our phones every second or driving in

303
00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:50,699
our car so a lot more people are looking

304
00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:52,889
up and I think that has a lot to do with

305
00:12:58,219 --> 00:12:55,289
this as well people are finally looking

306
00:13:01,219 --> 00:12:58,229
up again they're finally doing things

307
00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:01,229
you know pop in their head out the

308
00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:02,759
window to get some fresh air in they're

309
00:13:07,549 --> 00:13:04,889
seeing UFOs so I think we're gonna see a

310
00:13:09,409 --> 00:13:07,559
big uptick in mass UFO sightings as this

311
00:13:11,149 --> 00:13:09,419
quarantine continues yeah there's been

312
00:13:13,729 --> 00:13:11,159
an uptick actually over the last several

313
00:13:15,079 --> 00:13:13,739
months the first interesting report I'd

314
00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:15,089
gotten had been I think November of last

315
00:13:17,199 --> 00:13:15,860
year and there

316
00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:17,209
pilot who had written to me and said

317
00:13:20,530 --> 00:13:18,529
that he had seen something unlike

318
00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:20,540
anything he'd observed in years of you

319
00:13:23,050 --> 00:13:22,100
know flying he and his copilot both saw

320
00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:23,060
this they said they looked like

321
00:13:28,090 --> 00:13:25,880
satellites with it they were all in a

322
00:13:30,819 --> 00:13:28,100
line moving in the same direction and

323
00:13:32,829 --> 00:13:30,829
that was a clue because it is true that

324
00:13:36,579 --> 00:13:32,839
the SpaceX company has been involved in

325
00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:36,589
a internet service satellite internet

326
00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:38,930
service program called StarLink and this

327
00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:41,060
does account for a lot maybe even the

328
00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:42,980
majority of UFO sightings I think that

329
00:13:47,079 --> 00:13:44,510
have been coming in recently but now

330
00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:47,089
with regard to Cleveland in Detroit you

331
00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:48,410
know I'm more than happy to take a

332
00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:50,510
skeptical position on certain UFO

333
00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:53,060
reports but when I see lazy skepticism I

334
00:13:57,579 --> 00:13:55,430
just get angry and there had been a

335
00:13:59,410 --> 00:13:57,589
report that tried to explain the Detroit

336
00:14:02,650 --> 00:13:59,420
and the Cleveland sightings as having

337
00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:02,660
been SpaceX just SpaceX I love that you

338
00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:04,100
know it's kind of like me going to a

339
00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:05,750
fruit stand and saying give me a fruit

340
00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:07,790
well what would you like sir would you

341
00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:10,610
like a plum or a fruit I said you know

342
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:12,440
let's be a little more specific all

343
00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:14,810
right so it wasn't StarLink I think that

344
00:14:18,630 --> 00:14:16,610
was in the videos that we saw from

345
00:14:21,939 --> 00:14:18,640
Cleveland and Detroit because we see

346
00:14:24,910 --> 00:14:21,949
huge masses of orange globs of light

347
00:14:27,550 --> 00:14:24,920
moving through the sky that in no way

348
00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:27,560
resembles the spacex star satellite

349
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:29,240
rather constellation so i'm looking at

350
00:14:32,199 --> 00:14:30,890
these videos and I'm saying well just

351
00:14:33,610 --> 00:14:32,209
because a lot of people are seeing that

352
00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:33,620
doesn't mean everything that everyone is

353
00:14:38,829 --> 00:14:36,140
seeing is that my own estimate actually

354
00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:38,839
if I had to offer your potential

355
00:14:43,329 --> 00:14:41,660
solution I went to the national UFO or

356
00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:43,339
whether the the national UFO Reporting

357
00:14:47,889 --> 00:14:46,130
Center and there was actually a report

358
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:47,899
log from Detroit that gave a very good

359
00:14:51,069 --> 00:14:49,130
description of the lights as they

360
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:51,079
appeared in some of the videos they look

361
00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:53,600
more to me at least like Chinese

362
00:14:57,819 --> 00:14:55,790
lanterns and this would have actually

363
00:14:59,050 --> 00:14:57,829
made sense around the date of April 4th

364
00:15:00,939 --> 00:14:59,060
when some of the videos had been made

365
00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:00,949
because there were actual traditional

366
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:02,329
celebrations of the Queen meaning

367
00:15:05,620 --> 00:15:04,010
festival that were occurring around that

368
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,630
time we're part of that tradition that

369
00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:07,040
cultural tradition it's beautiful they

370
00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:08,300
release a lot of lanterns into the sky

371
00:15:11,829 --> 00:15:10,670
and so that may be what some people were

372
00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:11,839
seeing about I don't know that that

373
00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:12,860
would account for all the sightings

374
00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:15,260
throughout the last several months so I

375
00:15:18,009 --> 00:15:17,060
always tell people to be cautious if you

376
00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:18,019
think that there's a good explanation

377
00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:21,230
like SpaceX you know that doesn't mean

378
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:22,880
it's gonna become the catch-all for

379
00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:24,770
every UFO sighting that occurs I don't

380
00:15:28,749 --> 00:15:26,089
think that was what was happening in

381
00:15:33,079 --> 00:15:31,039
just to play devil's advocate a little

382
00:15:34,999 --> 00:15:33,089
bit I've received a lot of submissions

383
00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:35,009
over the past month and a half

384
00:15:39,379 --> 00:15:37,860
ufo-related and I'd say close to half of

385
00:15:41,419 --> 00:15:39,389
them were probably StarLink or

386
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:41,429
describing something that seemed very

387
00:15:48,199 --> 00:15:44,399
similar to StarLink atleast so I think

388
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:48,209
some of the nobility as a result of that

389
00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:50,610
as well as anything else that may be

390
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:52,470
going on yeah no actually I agree

391
00:15:57,530 --> 00:15:54,959
completely with that yeah I think I

392
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:57,540
think it's the sorry much good

393
00:16:02,569 --> 00:16:00,959
it's the StarLink is now the new weather

394
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:02,579
balloon like it's a catch-all for

395
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:05,279
everything like if there's a UFO it's

396
00:16:08,119 --> 00:16:06,480
got to be startling

397
00:16:09,859 --> 00:16:08,129
so we're probably gonna hear a lot more

398
00:16:12,439 --> 00:16:09,869
of that and drones drones are the

399
00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:12,449
biggest one that we deal with on a daily

400
00:16:15,739 --> 00:16:13,769
basis so on

401
00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:15,749
yeah but I think it's I think it's

402
00:16:18,619 --> 00:16:17,100
really cool we haven't seen Messi with

403
00:16:20,539 --> 00:16:18,629
those settings like this in a long time

404
00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:20,549
so if I could say anything to anyone

405
00:16:25,429 --> 00:16:22,649
watching when you're done watching this

406
00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:25,439
go outside and just look up for a few

407
00:16:32,289 --> 00:16:25,769
minutes

408
00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:32,299
a UFO will disguise we're clearing it

409
00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:34,769
I'm sorry Rob go ahead no it's all right

410
00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:37,529
I'm just gonna say quickly the wonderful

411
00:16:41,419 --> 00:16:39,299
and terrible paradox of when we live now

412
00:16:43,489 --> 00:16:41,429
is that we finally have the kind of

413
00:16:44,659 --> 00:16:43,499
technology we always dreamed of like

414
00:16:46,309 --> 00:16:44,669
when kids

415
00:16:48,379 --> 00:16:46,319
we watched Close Encounters were third

416
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:48,389
kind like everybody has a high-def

417
00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:50,790
camera in their back pocket we should be

418
00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:52,889
able to get evidence of anything from

419
00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:54,600
cryptozoological phenomenon to you for

420
00:16:59,329 --> 00:16:56,730
logical phenomenon to the drama back but

421
00:17:00,799 --> 00:16:59,339
of course along simultaneously the

422
00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:00,809
technologies for faking these things

423
00:17:04,669 --> 00:17:03,119
technology where people independently to

424
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:04,679
put things in the air has grown

425
00:17:08,809 --> 00:17:07,199
exponentially with all of the the you

426
00:17:11,149 --> 00:17:08,819
know the tech that's coming out now so

427
00:17:13,789 --> 00:17:11,159
the problem is the easier it should be

428
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,799
because if imagine if we had I phones

429
00:17:17,149 --> 00:17:15,839
during the Phoenix lights Agra that

430
00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:17,159
could have changed things they could've

431
00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:19,529
been a paradigm shift in terms of either

432
00:17:23,899 --> 00:17:21,990
being aware of a hidden black ops

433
00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:23,909
technology or extraterrestrial life

434
00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:26,370
instead we get some shady video and you

435
00:17:30,289 --> 00:17:28,289
know flare drop stories from the

436
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:30,299
government and it becomes just something

437
00:17:35,870 --> 00:17:33,600
that haunts us nowadays it happens it's

438
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:35,880
drones galore it's isn't that so it's

439
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:38,410
it's kind of a tough paradox we're at

440
00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:40,690
time ever to actually get evidence as a

441
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:43,570
people but at the worst time ever for

442
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,730
for them to be able to present in a way

443
00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:47,200
that people will believe it without

444
00:17:51,390 --> 00:17:49,540
debunkers being able to jump all over it

445
00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:51,400
and even if they're pulling things out

446
00:17:59,130 --> 00:17:54,460
of the reverse side if you will it still

447
00:18:00,720 --> 00:17:59,140
goes over its call alright another

448
00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:00,730
question coming in here from Alex

449
00:18:04,020 --> 00:18:02,380
Whitcomb he would like to know from the

450
00:18:07,470 --> 00:18:04,030
panelists what are your thoughts on

451
00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:07,480
alien abduction phenom and connections

452
00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:12,190
to Oh bees that's interesting I've been

453
00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:15,460
researching uh the a the abduction from

454
00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:17,980
1974 it was for a long time considered

455
00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:20,260
to be Great Britain's first you know at

456
00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:21,550
least on the books abduction it was a

457
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:23,110
family they were heading home they drove

458
00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:25,450
into this like thick cloud of like a

459
00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:28,330
wall of green fog and they ended up on

460
00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:29,980
the ship there's lots of cool aliens

461
00:18:33,450 --> 00:18:32,020
with lots of cool I mean if the pre gray

462
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:33,460
days when everything was like an

463
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:35,650
esoteric other women other limits

464
00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:37,810
episode when everything was just seven

465
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,510
arms and 12-foot tall green things all

466
00:18:46,260 --> 00:18:42,880
the stuff I love but that I digress um

467
00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:46,270
they saw themselves sitting in the car

468
00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:48,430
that they had been in as they were as

469
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:50,740
they were removed so I think there's

470
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:52,450
something interesting to the thought

471
00:18:57,540 --> 00:18:55,510
that these might not be Kippur Uriel

472
00:18:59,670 --> 00:18:57,550
phenomenon if they are happening and

473
00:19:01,500 --> 00:18:59,680
they have access to technology not just

474
00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:01,510
a couple hundred years but a couple

475
00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:03,400
thousand or maybe tens of thousand years

476
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:06,130
in advance of us there is nothing to say

477
00:19:10,590 --> 00:19:07,990
that they don't need to actually

478
00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:10,600
physically remove you from Earth they

479
00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:12,820
could just take the essence that is you

480
00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:14,590
now that of course you would ask well

481
00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:16,180
then why the heck are you you know

482
00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:18,280
performing surgical things I can't

483
00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:20,830
answer that maybe maybe the Egyptians

484
00:19:24,570 --> 00:19:22,780
were right and Ark important form in our

485
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:24,580
spiritual form are tied together if

486
00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:26,770
that's the case we're screwed

487
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:30,700
but let's that where it is for now but I

488
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:32,410
do think that there is something to the

489
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:34,570
idea that this is not a psychological

490
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:36,570
phenomenon just in the sense that it is

491
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:39,370
something your mind is constructing but

492
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:42,010
that it is a non physical phenomenon

493
00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:43,930
that leaves you with very real memories

494
00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:45,670
of something that you believe actually

495
00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:47,380
happened your body I don't know if I

496
00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:49,480
believe that's the case for every single

497
00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:51,100
alien abduction but it's certain

498
00:19:57,740 --> 00:19:55,809
something that bears more research yeah

499
00:20:00,419 --> 00:19:57,750
I will piggyback off of that I actually

500
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:00,429
agree with what rob saying a lot of the

501
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:03,130
stuff I'm looking at right now has to do

502
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:05,650
with with consciousness you know can we

503
00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:08,410
separate this from the body is this what

504
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:10,780
he's on the other side when we leave

505
00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:13,210
this you know mortal coil this meets

506
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:16,600
Sakharine is the soul literally

507
00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:18,850
something that travels to another body

508
00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:21,510
or another plane maybe that is how the

509
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:25,780
quote-unquote ETS or whoever are doing

510
00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:26,650
these abductions

511
00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:29,470
maybe that's why most of a lien

512
00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:32,200
abduction cases seem dreamlike almost

513
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:33,880
every person who comes to me saying they

514
00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:35,710
were abducted says it felt like a dream

515
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:39,100
of vivid dream maybe they are separating

516
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:41,650
the consciousness taking that doing

517
00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:43,090
whatever and then throwing them back in

518
00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:44,950
maybe that's why we don't have a lot of

519
00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:46,990
physical evidence now again you could

520
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:49,780
argue these implants and this and scars

521
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:52,450
and everything but on yeah I think it's

522
00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:53,890
fascinating that that's where the

523
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,260
research is heading this is no longer a

524
00:21:00,899 --> 00:20:58,720
little green man kidnapping you on to a

525
00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:00,909
craft it seems like they're almost

526
00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:05,020
invading upon something even more sacred

527
00:21:10,409 --> 00:21:07,809
and that's whatever's inside of us so

528
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:10,419
yeah I think it's fascinating that they

529
00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:12,610
could be connected out-of-body and alien

530
00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:14,860
abduction for sure mark they're directed

531
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:17,020
a question to rob is it hell or is it

532
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:19,390
space I would say or is it somewhere in

533
00:21:21,299 --> 00:21:20,500
between something we haven't even

534
00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:21,309
thought of yet

535
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:23,980
I mean the tender tether between Ellen

536
00:21:31,770 --> 00:21:26,770
space that you between both spectrums

537
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:31,780
thank you for that Mike no I'd say both

538
00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:36,330
on this one hell yeah so there

539
00:21:40,529 --> 00:21:37,870
everybody's happy

540
00:21:41,789 --> 00:21:40,539
oh and actually marry bittersweet has

541
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:41,799
taken it to a place that I knew it was

542
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,130
gonna go you know she just put alien

543
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:47,440
abduction is equal Fae abductions what

544
00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:51,370
are you guys as thoughts on that go

545
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,590
ahead Mike please I was merely going to

546
00:21:57,330 --> 00:21:55,840
defer to my esteemed colleague Joshua

547
00:21:58,830 --> 00:21:57,340
kuchen who is not here with us at the

548
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:58,840
moment uh you know but I mean you know

549
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:02,320
this idea really kind of at least goes

550
00:22:09,810 --> 00:22:05,050
back to the late 1960s and you

551
00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:09,820
the Magana kind of approach this almost

552
00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:12,040
an ethnological kind of a look at UFOs

553
00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:14,950
that seems to kind of grow out of a

554
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:18,280
frustration with study from 1947 up

555
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:20,290
until the late 60s of the physical

556
00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:22,690
tangible reality of UFOs until now we're

557
00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:24,280
starting to say maybe this approach is

558
00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:25,809
flawed somehow and we should look in

559
00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:28,990
other places for other evidence Jacques

560
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:31,000
Vallee really I mean can essentially be

561
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,220
credited not only for the idea but for

562
00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:35,679
driving this rift into ufology by

563
00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:37,780
presenting it and yet what he presented

564
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:39,460
was very nebulous he never really said

565
00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:41,650
it is this or it isn't you know or is

566
00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:43,150
this and it isn't that you know I mean

567
00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:45,400
it was more a kind of a maybe we should

568
00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:48,460
be kind of looking at the continuity

569
00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:51,040
that this phenomena presents in relation

570
00:22:55,230 --> 00:22:52,780
to things that humans have experienced

571
00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:55,240
for in a centuries really since time

572
00:23:00,270 --> 00:22:58,270
immemorial which it's less of an answer

573
00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:00,280
as it is I think sort of a vehicle

574
00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:01,750
toward further thinking about the

575
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,220
phenomenon that a lot of people don't

576
00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:05,679
like that you know and I always tell

577
00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:06,820
people you got to kind of be able to

578
00:23:11,010 --> 00:23:09,220
operate on different partitions on the

579
00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:11,020
same hard drive so to speak you know or

580
00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:12,220
I'd be able to switch into different

581
00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:14,440
programs you know on the one hand I like

582
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:16,120
to look at the physical tangible you

583
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,090
know phenomena you know of UFOs and try

584
00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:21,280
to apply science to what few reports can

585
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:23,800
be whittled down and you know survive

586
00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:27,250
the rigorous IFO screening but then

587
00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:29,380
again I think at times we also need to

588
00:23:33,299 --> 00:23:31,750
be aware of the continuities to the

589
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:33,309
earlier varieties of the human

590
00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:35,290
experience and remember that there would

591
00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:37,300
be no ufology or anything else we're

592
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:39,160
discussing here tonight without that

593
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:41,650
human component that's inevitably going

594
00:23:46,169 --> 00:23:43,690
to be a part of it until AI takes over

595
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:46,179
and does it all for us what it says to

596
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:48,130
me that's fascinating about the human

597
00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:49,870
condition is just like Michael was

598
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:52,420
saying if you want to be a UFO

599
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:53,110
literalist

600
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:55,510
than what you will say is aliens have

601
00:23:59,250 --> 00:23:57,190
been abducting humans since a time

602
00:24:01,799 --> 00:23:59,260
immemorial but back in the day we saw

603
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:01,809
them as goblins or face or elves or

604
00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:03,220
whatever you want to be and the fairy

605
00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:04,840
houses that look like mushrooms well

606
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:07,960
that's the UFO and if you want to be a

607
00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:09,850
nun the roses like he like he said

608
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:11,980
Jacques really did not lay out an answer

609
00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:14,090
he proposed a new way of

610
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:16,760
looking at it and so if you if you want

611
00:24:20,169 --> 00:24:18,289
to be more on the other side the more

612
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:20,179
mystical and paranormal side you can be

613
00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:24,559
like no these you know super it

614
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:26,270
terrestrials these intelligent things

615
00:24:30,909 --> 00:24:28,190
that have lived on earth longer than us

616
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:30,919
in there and they have just as much a

617
00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:32,630
claim to this place as the rest of us

618
00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:35,240
they are manifesting these things and as

619
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:37,100
the 20th century rolls around we got all

620
00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:39,049
excited by astonishing legends and

621
00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:41,150
started looking at this guy we started

622
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:43,309
calling them aliens and in a way both

623
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:45,289
sides are valid you could argue it

624
00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:47,000
either way and like Mike I said is

625
00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:49,070
exceedingly controversial when it really

626
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,320
ought not to be what it should be is

627
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:53,600
this is just a way to look at a

628
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:55,820
phenomenon that seems to be ongoing and

629
00:24:59,950 --> 00:24:57,130
it does not have to be either

630
00:25:02,789 --> 00:24:59,960
exclusively extraterrestrial or

631
00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:02,799
exclusively

632
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:06,230
Mageau Mia asked or or fairy world asked

633
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:08,990
it could be an answer and I will and I

634
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,570
will add this caveat here my idea of all

635
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:13,520
this is there there's always an

636
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:15,230
underlying science even if we're not

637
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:18,140
there yet so if we just plot away and

638
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:20,029
try to be as objective as possible and

639
00:25:24,669 --> 00:25:22,520
study the work we might not live to see

640
00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:24,679
it but eventually some branch of songs

641
00:25:28,779 --> 00:25:26,390
will be like oh no this is how this can

642
00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:28,789
happen and I think it would behoove us

643
00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:31,460
as you know paranormal investigators and

644
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:33,830
just people that are enthusiasts to not

645
00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:36,140
be so grounded and by it's not like a

646
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,700
sports team you don't have to be so

647
00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:39,200
invested in like the extra-terrestrial

648
00:25:43,419 --> 00:25:41,630
theory or that and I used to be one of

649
00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:43,429
those guys I was quite a literalist

650
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:44,600
but the older I get the more I'm

651
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:46,490
thinking like let the information stand

652
00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:49,610
as it will and interpret it to the best

653
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,820
of your ability as what it is and then

654
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:55,520
step from there but but but it merely is

655
00:25:59,799 --> 00:25:57,169
a complex way of looking at it because

656
00:26:02,320 --> 00:25:59,809
there are so many different facets that

657
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:02,330
do seem equally at home and folklore and

658
00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:07,039
science fiction this might actually tie

659
00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:09,500
in Sean Crawford has a question he wants

660
00:26:13,389 --> 00:26:11,299
to know what the significance of owls is

661
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:13,399
with alien abductions I thought maybe

662
00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:14,630
that might tie into what you guys have

663
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:15,980
been talking about over the past couple

664
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:20,809
minutes here no yeah hopping I mean for

665
00:26:27,549 --> 00:26:23,809
me personally as a abduction researcher

666
00:26:29,409 --> 00:26:27,559
I will serve as what are we

667
00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:29,419
colleague Mike Cleland I think would say

668
00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:30,830
as a messenger

669
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:34,100
I mean owls are often seen before an

670
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:37,220
abduction experience after and we're

671
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:40,129
talking literal owls not the idea of a

672
00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:42,470
screen memory which a lot of people say

673
00:26:47,769 --> 00:26:45,230
is what this intelligence that abducts

674
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:47,779
what they use something that our minds

675
00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:51,049
can fathom and perceive that may or may

676
00:26:56,249 --> 00:26:52,700
not look like what they actually look

677
00:26:58,659 --> 00:26:56,259
like and that's what they use to screen

678
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:58,669
themselves to you that's a whole other

679
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:01,730
can of worms but in terms of owls they

680
00:27:07,629 --> 00:27:04,850
are a mystical creature and you know

681
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:07,639
there's so much to that so I think it's

682
00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:09,710
fascinating you look at some of the the

683
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:11,899
biggest abduction cases out there

684
00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:13,369
whitley strieber being one of them

685
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,190
remember seeing howls during an

686
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:18,320
abduction experience I've spoken to many

687
00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:20,330
people who've experienced this a lot of

688
00:27:24,369 --> 00:27:22,460
the literature and television shows and

689
00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:24,379
everything out there about abductions

690
00:27:29,769 --> 00:27:27,470
have something to do with owls now is it

691
00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:29,779
you know a chicken right situation or

692
00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:32,360
how does that work but um yeah I find

693
00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:34,549
out fascinating and if you really want

694
00:27:37,749 --> 00:27:35,990
to dive into that I suggest looking at

695
00:27:41,169 --> 00:27:37,759
the work of my clones which were in

696
00:27:43,299 --> 00:27:41,179
three books about those no I'll pass it

697
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:43,309
over to you might get well I would

698
00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:45,230
actually say that you did such a fine

699
00:27:50,049 --> 00:27:47,740
job you know again I will only reiterate

700
00:27:52,090 --> 00:27:50,059
Mike Cleland has kind of established

701
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:52,100
himself as the authority on that with

702
00:27:56,619 --> 00:27:53,690
his two books in the messengers series

703
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:56,629
you know Mike and Andrea were wonderful

704
00:28:01,299 --> 00:27:57,769
enough to come all the way to Asheville

705
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:01,309
I think last year before last and we all

706
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:02,690
had dinner and he left a couple of

707
00:28:06,369 --> 00:28:04,369
copies here but Mike's been here in the

708
00:28:07,749 --> 00:28:06,379
studio and we've done a couple of

709
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:07,759
episodes about that he shared some

710
00:28:11,109 --> 00:28:09,289
really interesting experiences now

711
00:28:12,909 --> 00:28:11,119
culturally and folkloric Lee the only

712
00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:12,919
other thing I would add is just that the

713
00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:16,220
owl is sort of emblematic of you know

714
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:19,009
mystery in that great tradition of Twin

715
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:20,590
Peaks the owls are not what they seem

716
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,090
you know here we have a raptor here we

717
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:25,820
have a nocturnal creature a bird of prey

718
00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:28,070
and yet one also that is a symbolic

719
00:28:32,889 --> 00:28:29,509
throughout cultures and throughout time

720
00:28:35,139 --> 00:28:32,899
you know for intelligence primarily and

721
00:28:36,249 --> 00:28:35,149
so it is interesting to me even if we

722
00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:36,259
were just say let's remove all the

723
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:37,639
possibility that there's an abduction

724
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:41,090
phenomenon but people recognize that owl

725
00:28:48,019 --> 00:28:41,460
is

726
00:28:50,299 --> 00:28:48,029
seems to be almost like an archetypal

727
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:50,309
kind of imagery that is yet again one of

728
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,779
these consistencies that remains

729
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:53,520
throughout cultures and throughout time

730
00:28:59,840 --> 00:28:57,690
I will add one small thing that's not

731
00:29:01,700 --> 00:28:59,850
nearly as erudite is what Ryan and Mike

732
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:01,710
I said when it comes to the flatwoods

733
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:05,490
monster not my all that is not an owl

734
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:10,380
that is a giant alien wizard I don't

735
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:12,179
know what it is but it's not a dang owl

736
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:13,350
I just had to say it

737
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:18,299
I love the flatwoods nice I'm just

738
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:19,830
really quick just to close up this

739
00:29:23,659 --> 00:29:21,750
subject I think I asked this very same

740
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,669
thing last time to everybody but if you

741
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:25,679
guys could finally know that you know

742
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,330
the whole thing was real nuts and

743
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:29,700
talking to nuts-and-bolts craft alien

744
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:31,590
greys and then you get the tall whites

745
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:33,419
over there in the corner but you may

746
00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:34,890
have to go through some pretty gnarly

747
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:36,870
stuff while on board the craft that you

748
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:39,210
may or may not remember some of it but

749
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:41,010
you would have the knowing that it was

750
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:42,450
real would you guys be willing to go

751
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:45,710
through that yeah I'd do it let's party

752
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:50,159
yeah I mean if Mike is gonna do it I'm

753
00:29:56,260 --> 00:29:53,669
doing it for sure I'll go first to tell

754
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:56,270
you what it's like okay fine you be the

755
00:30:03,500 --> 00:29:58,740
but as Neil deGrasse Tyson would say

756
00:30:06,139 --> 00:30:03,510
bring your damn camera waiting for God's

757
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:06,149
name if you're going to end up exactly

758
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:07,890
in the same boat as so many other people

759
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,520
with nebulous memories a corner shoot

760
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,919
that might have a little pain in it and

761
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,380
and no way to convince anybody but to

762
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:18,179
look like a damn fool

763
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:20,010
I would really need some sort of

764
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,070
confirmation that at least I will have a

765
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,020
concise memory I would have to write on

766
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,659
contract I need like six caveats before

767
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:29,399
I am going to subject myself and just

768
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:31,289
randomly be laying around in a road like

769
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,870
poor Travis Walton going oh man oh man

770
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:36,059
did I say yes to this why did I say yes

771
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:37,620
Ben this is horrible

772
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,539
I feel icky I'm gonna shower with you

773
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,700
days I don't know about fully committed

774
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:43,320
must I really knew I was getting

775
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,169
something out of it yeah you have a

776
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:47,820
great story though wrong and you can

777
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:49,529
you'd have all kinds of things to

778
00:30:53,629 --> 00:30:52,169
transfer on to the the art that you love

779
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:53,639
to do so much I mean you probably do it

780
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:55,090
in your sleep you're like

781
00:30:59,340 --> 00:30:57,790
semester you know exactly hope hurt

782
00:31:01,860 --> 00:30:59,350
where I'm crying through my schedule

783
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:01,870
yeah yes feeling me for some reason

784
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:10,030
just call me old-fashioned I guess I'm

785
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:13,540
guessing maybe I'll leave you in the

786
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:17,290
gray area all right well let's switch

787
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,900
gears I mean we've got we've got the man

788
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:22,720
himself here who actually wrote the book

789
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,560
on the Lizardman of skateboard swamp and

790
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:28,240
Lyle did you just want to give a quick

791
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,710
you know snapshot a rundown of or what's

792
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:34,720
the word they use in the office that for

793
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:37,510
Jim anyway yeah give one of those for

794
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:39,640
the lizard man oh and over there in

795
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:43,900
Bishopville okay this was a kind of a

796
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:47,260
rather famous mostly crippled zoological

797
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:50,400
case that occurred in the summer of 1988

798
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:53,310
near Bishopville South Carolina and

799
00:31:59,580 --> 00:31:55,810
that's in the proximity of a place

800
00:32:03,330 --> 00:31:59,590
called scape ore swamp and in the summer

801
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:03,340
of that year people in the area began to

802
00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:06,300
report seeing some sort of a

803
00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:10,600
anthropomorphic creature or entity of

804
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:13,270
some sort therein and about scape ore

805
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:15,700
swamp and the locals begin to call it

806
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:17,860
the lizard man and the first time it

807
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:21,520
came up on the radar of the police and

808
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:24,970
the press was when a couple who lived

809
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:26,680
right there on the edge of scape ore

810
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:29,110
swamp called and said their car had been

811
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:32,710
vandalized you know over night and the

812
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:34,390
weird thing about that was is it looked

813
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:37,900
like animals had damaged the car so they

814
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,470
put in a call to the Lee County

815
00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:44,080
Sheriff's Office and sheriff Liston

816
00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:46,060
Truesdale and some deputies went down

817
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:48,300
and investigated looked at the car and

818
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:51,130
they were kind of mystified because sure

819
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:52,810
enough there was all kinds of animal

820
00:32:59,340 --> 00:32:56,320
tracks and damage to the car with with

821
00:33:01,760 --> 00:32:59,350
the trim torn off and wires torn out of

822
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:01,770
the engine and all sorts of stuff and

823
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:04,870
you know ultimately they're like we

824
00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:06,400
don't really know what to make of this

825
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:08,020
you know you live at the end you can

826
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:09,010
swap around

827
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:11,830
some animals were fighting or

828
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,480
what-have-you and as they were leaving

829
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:15,760
one of the locals said well maybe it was

830
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:16,630
the lizard man

831
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,790
and sheriff Truesdale said we mean

832
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,320
lizard man and said well people have

833
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:22,960
been seeing this creature in and around

834
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:26,110
this area and so he you know kind of

835
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,570
whatever have these people come talk to

836
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:31,600
me then well that ended up getting

837
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:33,790
printed in the papers because some news

838
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:36,610
hounds that follow it along and once I

839
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:39,820
got in the paper a couple of weeks later

840
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:43,810
a man brought his son into the sheriff's

841
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,770
office and this young man Christopher

842
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:50,320
Davis had quite a story to tell

843
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:52,630
he told cheryl truesdale that a couple

844
00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:55,750
of weeks back he had had a flat tire in

845
00:34:00,540 --> 00:33:58,540
the scape ore swamp area at about 2:00

846
00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:00,550
a.m. while he was coming home from work

847
00:34:04,350 --> 00:34:02,560
he worked at a fast-food place in

848
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:04,360
Bishopville which is a very small town

849
00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:06,550
and you have to drive through scape ore

850
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,380
swamp and of course this is not where

851
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:10,510
you want to have a flat tire but anyway

852
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:13,210
as he finished up changing that and

853
00:34:18,330 --> 00:34:15,190
putting the jack and the tire back in

854
00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:18,340
his car he sees some something coming at

855
00:34:22,619 --> 00:34:21,100
him in the moonlight through this fennel

856
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:22,629
grass that's out there in this field

857
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,510
where he was stopped and he said it

858
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,240
looked first like a human which is scary

859
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:29,679
enough is you out there in the middle of

860
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,230
nowhere and then as it got closer he

861
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,800
believed that this was some kind of a

862
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:37,540
creature of some sort though it was on

863
00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:40,290
two legs bipedal he said it looked

864
00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:42,870
reptilian it was either brown or green

865
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:47,139
it had fingers that had three hands that

866
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,260
had three long fingers with claws and

867
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:52,240
anyway of course he jumps in the car and

868
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:54,190
starts it up and this thing tries to get

869
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,530
in there and attack him and he manages

870
00:35:00,480 --> 00:34:58,480
to speed away and the thing was running

871
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:00,490
after him down the road and jumps on the

872
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:03,220
top of the car and anyway so he gets

873
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:06,610
home and his dad was there and after

874
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:08,290
this happened they didn't know what to

875
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:09,790
say I mean they're not gonna call the

876
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:11,590
press or the police they just kept quiet

877
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:14,440
until that news story came out well once

878
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:16,690
that came out other locals in the area

879
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:19,240
began to say they had seen a similar

880
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:21,790
creature either

881
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:24,340
that time or even going back a couple of

882
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:26,980
years preceding those incidents and then

883
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:29,320
through the rest of the summer of 1988

884
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,720
there was massive press press coverage I

885
00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:35,200
mean it was like lizard mania the Dan

886
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,400
Rather was on site doing broadcasts out

887
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:41,710
of scape ore swamp that was newspaper

888
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:43,210
coverage that was picked up by The

889
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:45,250
Associated Press it was in all the local

890
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:47,530
newspapers it was everywhere the Oprah

891
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:50,700
show was calling Christopher Davis

892
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:53,020
unprecedented sort of a thing and all

893
00:35:59,460 --> 00:35:56,920
the while sheriff Truesdale followed the

894
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:59,470
case and was meticulous about

895
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:02,470
documenting this not that he believed

896
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:04,630
there was necessarily a lizard man but

897
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:07,360
just that he it was his duty to follow

898
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:09,820
up and he felt like if it's a rogue bear

899
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:13,540
if it's somebody playing a prank it was

900
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:14,950
his duty to follow up because if he

901
00:36:19,290 --> 00:36:16,450
didn't people would say you know you

902
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:19,300
were negligent if somebody got killed or

903
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:21,550
whatever happened so there was

904
00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:23,410
truckloads of people down there with

905
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:26,080
guns going in the swamp and of course

906
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,120
like any of these cases you know rumors

907
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:30,880
that this person or that person was

908
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:34,840
responsible for these sightings and you

909
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:36,790
know a plethora of different theories

910
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:40,180
and in news stories from just simply

911
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:43,030
covering that to obviously silly ones

912
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:45,970
where they portrayed the creature as

913
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:48,250
having a tail and a big alligator mouth

914
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:51,130
Godzilla looking though that's not what

915
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:53,080
people reported they reported something

916
00:37:01,260 --> 00:36:58,020
that was much more a bit practical and

917
00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:01,270
in haunting in that it was human-like

918
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:03,100
but it was covered in scales and it

919
00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:05,140
stood upright it didn't have a tail it

920
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:07,480
you know no special powers they just

921
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:09,190
would see it and it would disappear in

922
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:13,450
the swamp so you know long story short

923
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:15,580
it was one of those that I was enamored

924
00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:18,430
with this case and just the fact that it

925
00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:20,680
was this sort of almost to me like a

926
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:22,780
creature from the Black Lagoon in modern

927
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:26,050
times that had been pursued by the

928
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:29,950
police and mentioned in many cryptos

929
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:33,100
while cryptozoology texts

930
00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:34,690
but nobody had ever really written a

931
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,780
comprehensive books about hearing back

932
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:39,520
at a time when I went on a swamp tour

933
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:42,070
and went out to Bishop bill and went to

934
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:44,350
scape ore swamp it spent some time with

935
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,350
sheriff Truesdale and also partly due to

936
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:50,560
mica actually suggesting that perhaps I

937
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:52,900
should write a book on this all of that

938
00:37:58,590 --> 00:37:56,620
kind of came together and resulted in my

939
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:58,600
book lizard man the true story of the

940
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:03,520
Bishopville monster there's a fantastic

941
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:06,640
book to just throw that in there so in

942
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,630
many ways I approached it much like like

943
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:12,880
a cryptozoology case because people are

944
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:16,420
seeing a perceived physical creature in

945
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:19,360
a swampy environment a rugged remote

946
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:22,690
hard to get to place but of course this

947
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:27,670
type of when you're dealing with any

948
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:29,710
sort of a reptilian type thing you know

949
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:35,250
it does cross over into that category of

950
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:37,360
extraterrestrial or this theory that

951
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:41,170
reptilians subterranean reptilian race

952
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:43,590
lives underground and is it one of those

953
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:47,410
there's a lot of ways you can go and in

954
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:49,690
trying to run down any explanation for

955
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:52,450
this but you know like most of my books

956
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:54,490
I just simply tell the story and the

957
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,950
story unto itself is intriguing no

958
00:39:02,490 --> 00:38:59,200
matter what we conclude it may or may

959
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:02,500
not be well had a quick question for you

960
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:04,330
I know you spent a lot of time obviously

961
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:07,510
in boggy creek but how much time did you

962
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:09,490
spend in Bishopville for the lizard man

963
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:13,660
I spent a week down there obviously yeah

964
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:16,750
it's with buggy Creek I can go there

965
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:18,550
just about any time three and a half

966
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:21,250
hours away with that one I went there

967
00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:23,380
and with the intention of writing a book

968
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:27,340
on swamps that had strange things so I

969
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:30,070
went there luckily I spent time and the

970
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:32,110
fortunate thing was I was given access

971
00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:34,510
to all the police reports all the photos

972
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:37,600
everything and had sheriff Truesdale

973
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:39,400
that was retired at the time and he's no

974
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:40,050
longer with us

975
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:43,210
he he literally took me around I went to

976
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,700
houses

977
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:46,140
where the witnesses some of the

978
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:47,460
witnesses were and we were able to

979
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:48,990
interview them so it was very concise

980
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:51,930
and quick way to really build into this

981
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:55,410
subject and then you know when I came

982
00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:58,130
home I then continued to interview

983
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:00,990
various people or follow up with all the

984
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,510
newspaper accounts to to ultimately

985
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:05,880
build the entire story which is not just

986
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:09,270
in 1988 it's you know there's proceeding

987
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:12,930
and post sightings that continued for

988
00:40:18,020 --> 00:40:16,560
several years down there well I was

989
00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:18,030
wondering there's sightings in other

990
00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:18,600
places

991
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:21,600
oh sorry right no not at all man that's

992
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:22,320
a good question

993
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:24,450
yeah q are there sightings in other

994
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:27,210
places what was the question yeah other

995
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:30,450
than you know or just lizard man

996
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,040
sightings in general other places in the

997
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:33,960
US or even the world and is this the

998
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:35,940
only place that these things are cited

999
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:38,220
no it's certainly kind of the most

1000
00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:41,550
famous of these you know just because of

1001
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:43,080
the massive amount of press coverage and

1002
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:44,850
things and it was concentrated there was

1003
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:46,890
a lot of sightings but it's not the only

1004
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:50,130
sighting of a what we would call lizard

1005
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:53,000
man would be a category of cryptid

1006
00:41:01,820 --> 00:40:57,270
there's been sightings in you know New

1007
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:01,830
Jersey Texas Louisiana Mississippi just

1008
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:04,170
just sporadic though I mean it's nothing

1009
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:05,730
like say Bigfoot where you have

1010
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:09,060
thousands of sightings they're very few

1011
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,890
and far between but there certainly are

1012
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,920
similar ones everywhere well I want to

1013
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,720
ask you something too you know again

1014
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:18,300
with kind of you know the main focus of

1015
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:20,040
your work and increasingly over time

1016
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:21,930
even my own although that's kind of been

1017
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:23,190
a long-held interest just you know the

1018
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,230
Sasquatch phenomena broadly in North

1019
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:27,480
America and also relict hominoids around

1020
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:29,130
the world is there any way in your mind

1021
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:32,130
that the Lizardman thing is somehow

1022
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:35,010
reconcilable with hairy bipeds and it

1023
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,570
hominids because a lot of people's

1024
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:38,460
argument against something like lizard

1025
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:40,050
man would be that you know we haven't

1026
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:42,210
seen something a bipedal humanoid type

1027
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,070
you know lizard-like creature since

1028
00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:46,380
maybe that the era of the dinosaurs and

1029
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:48,360
even those weren't quite like us what if

1030
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,770
this was you know something that gave

1031
00:41:53,090 --> 00:41:52,200
the appearance of scales or something I

1032
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:53,100
mean what are your thoughts in that

1033
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:54,870
regard being a Bigfoot researcher

1034
00:42:01,070 --> 00:41:57,960
primarily yeah that was one of

1035
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,080
perhaps my favorite and most grounded

1036
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:02,880
explanation was that

1037
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:05,970
yeah biologically we have no precedent

1038
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,150
for any sort of a reptilian-human or a

1039
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,940
hybrid or a humanoid and like you say

1040
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,859
even the dinosaurs those are though

1041
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:15,300
there's been some theories and I talked

1042
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:16,740
about those in the book like this

1043
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,770
dinosaur roid where they theorized if

1044
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:22,260
the if some of those creatures that have

1045
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:25,430
brought survived that they would have

1046
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:28,320
eventually walked upright and become

1047
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,710
more anthropomorphic you know but given

1048
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,200
what we have I thought that the

1049
00:42:40,579 --> 00:42:37,140
descriptions of the creature in around a

1050
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:40,589
swamp it could have easily been perhaps

1051
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:44,700
a sasquatch with either just simply wet

1052
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:48,060
covered in algae or one that's infected

1053
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,140
by mange has some sort of skin condition

1054
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,000
because you know the sightings are

1055
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,680
they're very brief I mean you know

1056
00:42:59,180 --> 00:42:57,690
people aren't studying this creature for

1057
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,190
very long because that either it's

1058
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,800
quickly moving across and disappearing

1059
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:03,839
into the woods or it's frightening in

1060
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,030
which you know one guy just got on his

1061
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:08,960
bike and rode off because it's scary so

1062
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,390
within that sort of conditions it's dark

1063
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:14,940
it's brief you could easily see a

1064
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:19,290
sasquatch that's wet and interpret that

1065
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:21,390
is it maybe it was scaly or maybe it was

1066
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,839
green so it's weird to explain one

1067
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,640
cryptid with another cryptid but I think

1068
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:28,260
there's a good theory well but you know

1069
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,250
you bring up something else really

1070
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,480
interesting that I got to throw in there

1071
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:32,400
you know when we talk about like mange

1072
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:33,780
or something like that you know right

1073
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:35,070
behind you Ryan you've got your

1074
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,550
chupacabra poster and you know with the

1075
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:40,680
reports of raccoons foxes I've seen a

1076
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:43,530
fox in the wild with mange and it really

1077
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:44,849
throws you off because you don't know at

1078
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:45,900
first what you're looking like you're

1079
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:47,369
used you know used to seeing that red

1080
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:49,430
color you know the tail the bushy tail

1081
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:53,010
but if we can suppose that Sasquatch is

1082
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:54,690
a biological reality and it's a hair

1083
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,270
covered you know mammal I mean it would

1084
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,119
be equally able to you know acquire

1085
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,420
mange so how would a Sasquatch look if

1086
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:05,099
it were ridden with mange or something

1087
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,300
along those lines that's a really

1088
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,000
interesting point - yeah absolutely I

1089
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:11,520
mean if you saw that he would you know

1090
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:14,520
you know scramble your mind what is that

1091
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:17,790
and you're not safe sasquatch but you're

1092
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:19,290
not going to say berry you're just

1093
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:21,930
simply gonna and the locals again you

1094
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:23,580
know that's the name they gave it which

1095
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,650
has a lot of connotations to lizard man

1096
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:28,560
but you know in all these kids of gentle

1097
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:30,630
book newspaper with they just give it a

1098
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:39,160
fascinating and I think is ballot

1099
00:44:45,110 --> 00:44:41,930
attacked as it would be to think about

1100
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:45,120
you know hairy hominid that you know he

1101
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:46,650
has some sort of mange or something just

1102
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:48,210
like you're saying the sunny debris if

1103
00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:50,610
indeed it is something that is either

1104
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:53,550
more reptilian or amphibious like say

1105
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:56,460
the fetus lake monster from Canada which

1106
00:45:01,870 --> 00:44:58,260
at the whole nine yards the big punk

1107
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:01,880
rock thrill the actual silver scales um

1108
00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:04,950
you you definitely you know you are a

1109
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:06,870
great cryptozoological you know

1110
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:09,180
investigator and author and I know that

1111
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:11,130
you had biases there but I don't presume

1112
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:13,650
to know like what your thoughts would be

1113
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,550
on to as to what could represent these

1114
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:20,520
things that seem to be distinctly if not

1115
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,700
non-mammalian just not a classic

1116
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:25,260
misidentified Sasquatch something that

1117
00:45:30,590 --> 00:45:27,660
definitely seemed to have reptilians or

1118
00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:30,600
amphibious attribute where would you

1119
00:45:36,350 --> 00:45:33,030
think this would fit in and I guess the

1120
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:36,360
scale well you know Darwinian evolution

1121
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:39,870
and cryptozoology I think really the

1122
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:44,090
only place perhaps is if some

1123
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:48,900
undocumented unknown dinosaur had

1124
00:45:56,330 --> 00:45:51,840
survived miraculously all this time

1125
00:45:59,540 --> 00:45:56,340
without being seen that again this

1126
00:46:02,600 --> 00:45:59,550
theory you know done by put together my

1127
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,610
guys more qualified that tetrapod kind

1128
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:05,030
of dinosaurs would evolve in this

1129
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:09,740
upright walking bipedal progression

1130
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:13,410
partly because as their brains got

1131
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,540
bigger or there became smarter and

1132
00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:18,000
things like this that adjustments would

1133
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:19,830
be made in the head and the way they

1134
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:21,010
carried the head and

1135
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:23,530
you know this sort of thing that if

1136
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:28,750
something had survived and then it

1137
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:31,600
perhaps it would appear like people are

1138
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:34,090
describing this lizard man so it would

1139
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:35,350
have to be something that was in your

1140
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:38,080
all along I mean it's it's too big of a

1141
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:41,350
creature to just be an offshoot of a any

1142
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:43,300
sort of normal is there even a Komodo

1143
00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:45,940
dragon I mean those are big but there's

1144
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:48,220
a far cry from something standing up

1145
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:50,290
that looks anything like you know

1146
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:53,470
humanoid you know so but the problem

1147
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:55,450
with that of course is it's like you

1148
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:57,310
know how could there be only one I mean

1149
00:47:02,460 --> 00:46:58,930
it's not like that survive you would

1150
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,470
expect more little more sightings or

1151
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,720
something else which makes it sort of an

1152
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:06,640
anomaly something that it was just there

1153
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:12,430
and and gone and you know the thought of

1154
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:14,740
this lone surviving dinosaur or

1155
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:17,110
something that evolved is romantic but

1156
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:18,670
it can't be just wanted after be

1157
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:20,260
multiple and I think you'd have more

1158
00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:22,830
sightings in South Carolina for example

1159
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:25,540
so that's the only way I could fit it in

1160
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:29,400
as if it was something that had you know

1161
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:32,830
changed over time and become this what

1162
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:35,590
passivates mean is especially in the

1163
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:38,380
ohio river area just obviously it is a

1164
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:41,020
hotbed for chrissy illogical ecological

1165
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:43,510
paranormal madness but the river

1166
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:46,690
monsters from the indescribable octoman

1167
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:48,940
to the green beast which was never seen

1168
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:51,070
but just yanked a woman you know like

1169
00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:53,050
the day after the Hopkinsville goblins i

1170
00:47:57,570 --> 00:47:55,420
mean it's a paradise of weird there um

1171
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:57,580
if there was something I'm just gonna

1172
00:48:02,490 --> 00:48:00,190
wildly speculate and vibius and it could

1173
00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:02,500
just as easily spend its time sleeping

1174
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:04,780
in the mud breathing the water eating

1175
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:06,760
the fish having no reason to interact

1176
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:09,250
with the hairless apes topside because

1177
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:11,710
we're just trouble and we on guns would

1178
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:13,420
you think that there's any chance that

1179
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:14,890
something like that that's just smart

1180
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:17,610
enough to avoid us could represent a

1181
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:20,260
small portion of what these sightings

1182
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:23,230
are rather than alone air breather in a

1183
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:26,410
swamp it's possible certainly I mean and

1184
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:28,060
I certainly never rule anything out

1185
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:30,670
because we we have to rule everything in

1186
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,650
until we can you know find an

1187
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:34,960
explanation so yes certainly it's not

1188
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,150
the question though improbable it's not

1189
00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:39,940
impossible that something like that

1190
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:42,220
could survive and you do have those

1191
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:43,660
whether or not talk about this in the

1192
00:48:48,359 --> 00:48:46,450
book the Ohio River incident where the

1193
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:48,369
thing reached up and grabbed the woman

1194
00:48:53,810 --> 00:48:51,570
the fetes lake monster the Loveland Frog

1195
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:53,820
anywhere you have these sort of

1196
00:49:00,120 --> 00:48:57,880
anomalous amphibious reptilian creatures

1197
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:00,130
that are big enough and that appear walk

1198
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:01,230
on two legs

1199
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:03,730
you know not out of the question because

1200
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:05,050
a lot of the places where they're gonna

1201
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,470
live are you know a swamp I mean there's

1202
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:10,720
not you can't develop all that there's

1203
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:13,020
not many people walking or nobody's

1204
00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:15,910
hiking and biking through there I mean

1205
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:19,869
you have hunters and canoes but you know

1206
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:22,780
you could live back in there relatively

1207
00:49:28,859 --> 00:49:25,990
untouched who knows now I may be accused

1208
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,869
of being primate center cure gentlemen

1209
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:31,119
and lady but I'll share this this

1210
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:33,130
following passage from the tattooed a

1211
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:36,430
ballet about their wit ago or Windigo

1212
00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:38,410
traditions different variants on the

1213
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:40,660
same concept you know the cannibalistic

1214
00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:42,430
Giants and Native American Indian

1215
00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:45,339
folklore but the account here and this

1216
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:47,080
one actually comes to us from Jon M

1217
00:49:50,670 --> 00:49:49,240
Cooper's article the Cree which echo

1218
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:50,680
psychosis I've been researching this

1219
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:53,230
stuff today can you tell and the account

1220
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:55,180
goes that the Whitacre used to rub

1221
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:57,460
himself like the animals against the

1222
00:50:01,470 --> 00:49:59,260
first spruce and other resinous trees

1223
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:01,480
and then when he was thus covered with

1224
00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:03,430
gum or resin he would go roll in the

1225
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,619
sand so that one would have fought that

1226
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,450
after many operation of this kind he was

1227
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,480
made of stone and it got me thinking I

1228
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:11,920
mean that certainly might give one the

1229
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:14,500
appearance you know with hair covered in

1230
00:50:18,329 --> 00:50:16,450
resin and then with you know the dust

1231
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:18,339
and the stone sticking to that I mean a

1232
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:21,849
scaly kind of appearance - so what's

1233
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:24,010
interesting is that is a traditional

1234
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:28,060
motif of stone giant throughout all the

1235
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:29,260
Native American traditions and though

1236
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:30,790
especially with Lyle I'm preaching to

1237
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,440
the choir because he reads so much of

1238
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:34,240
this stuff - but I'd wondered about that

1239
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:37,000
in relation to the the lizard man idea

1240
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:39,730
as well with the scaly appearance yeah I

1241
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:41,530
mean that that's another thing you know

1242
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:43,720
it's intentionally rolling in the mud

1243
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:46,869
and it drying and caking and any number

1244
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:48,320
of things like that

1245
00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:50,900
to reconcile what it was people are

1246
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:52,430
seeing that gave the impression of

1247
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:54,890
scales so and one other really

1248
00:50:59,170 --> 00:50:57,230
interesting thing was as I discovered

1249
00:51:02,380 --> 00:50:59,180
during the process of researching the

1250
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:02,390
book that the Native Americans of that

1251
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:03,710
area

1252
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:06,440
that lived along the Pee Dee River and

1253
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:08,750
santi rivers and all those that ran up

1254
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:12,110
and down through South Carolina they had

1255
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:17,890
a stories a race of beings that they

1256
00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:19,940
translated as something called sharp

1257
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:23,060
tales but this race of beings that would

1258
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:25,550
appear every once in a while and come

1259
00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:27,170
and visit and they had to make holes

1260
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:29,840
because they had these tales but short

1261
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:32,990
tales hard and sort of tales but they

1262
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:35,390
would sit and visit with them or

1263
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:37,100
interact in some way with these

1264
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:40,210
creatures and the description of them is

1265
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:43,820
not very far from sort of a lizard man

1266
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:45,710
type thing I mean they've got a tail

1267
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:49,310
they're coming from the sea or some you

1268
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:52,190
know on the coast and you know they're

1269
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:54,290
seen for a while they said when the fish

1270
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:56,570
trying to ran dry or something they

1271
00:52:00,340 --> 00:51:57,800
never saw him again

1272
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:00,350
but I thought it was really coincidental

1273
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:02,180
and really weird that the Native

1274
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:04,190
Americans would have any sort of a story

1275
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:06,740
about you know anything that we did

1276
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:09,770
equate with a lizard man in a very area

1277
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:12,440
and certainly people you know I'm going

1278
00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:14,180
to say that like Christopher Davis this

1279
00:52:19,810 --> 00:52:17,000
young man that made up this you know

1280
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:19,820
that reported the story people say well

1281
00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:21,650
he made it up or whatever you know he

1282
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:24,230
would have never known about these the

1283
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:26,090
history of those kind of sightings and

1284
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:28,280
there was theories that a local farmer

1285
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:30,170
dressed up in a costume and he was the

1286
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:32,360
lizard man and stuff but those never

1287
00:52:35,770 --> 00:52:34,040
account for the fact that there was all

1288
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,780
these sightings going on for several

1289
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:37,760
years and some of them quite credible

1290
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,600
and leader five people thought at once

1291
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:43,040
that's not a farmer I mean I got would

1292
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:44,810
have been super busy running in and out

1293
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:48,050
of the swamp and such so if you just

1294
00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:51,260
take out the hoax aspect it becomes more

1295
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:54,560
weird and the fact that perhaps you know

1296
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:56,090
the Native Americans had an encounter

1297
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:09,509
in boggy creek you know oh man I just

1298
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:11,500
add one thing because now you know I

1299
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:13,450
mean being in North Carolina I've been

1300
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:15,640
down there to skateboard passing through

1301
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:17,470
it but I've actually been out in a canoe

1302
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:20,950
in adjacent areas including like four

1303
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:23,460
whole swamp and when you encounter a

1304
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:26,380
cottonmouth water moccasin with a head

1305
00:53:30,509 --> 00:53:29,230
as big as your fist you know cold up

1306
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:30,519
over there on the bank the first time

1307
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:33,609
you see one resting in his environment

1308
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:34,930
like that you know and you realize

1309
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:36,700
you're the intruder the last thing

1310
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:38,500
you're gonna want to go do is get in the

1311
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:39,849
suit and go trudging through those

1312
00:53:45,269 --> 00:53:41,740
swamps I mean you are risking your life

1313
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:45,279
so do so at your own peril absolutely

1314
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:47,049
that none of that holds water it's you

1315
00:53:57,299 --> 00:53:55,180
know I I just wanted to ask while your

1316
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:57,309
opinion on the cultural significance of

1317
00:54:01,890 --> 00:53:59,380
something like the lizard man I mean

1318
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:01,900
you've got flatwoods monster you've got

1319
00:54:07,259 --> 00:54:04,089
Mothman you've got the Roswell UFO crash

1320
00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:07,269
like these events bring a lot of

1321
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:09,339
conversing to these areas where this

1322
00:54:14,609 --> 00:54:12,670
happened so um I I'd love to get your

1323
00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:14,619
opinion on Bishopville like is this the

1324
00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:17,109
case there do they have a festival um

1325
00:54:23,279 --> 00:54:20,500
how does the sort of identity of the

1326
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:23,289
area does it morph and change when

1327
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:25,569
something like this occurs I mean I know

1328
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:27,730
for Roswell like without that festival

1329
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:29,470
they do every year that place would

1330
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:32,440
probably disappeared to be completely

1331
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:34,690
honest so yeah what are your thoughts on

1332
00:54:38,579 --> 00:54:37,210
that yeah I mean and that's one of the

1333
00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:38,589
things I like in writing these books

1334
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:40,420
especially where it's a concentrated

1335
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,670
case because I like to you know what

1336
00:54:46,799 --> 00:54:44,799
were the effects of this thing on the on

1337
00:54:49,289 --> 00:54:46,809
the town itself and the people and in

1338
00:54:51,089 --> 00:54:49,299
the case of Bishopville not unlike some

1339
00:54:54,269 --> 00:54:51,099
of them it's kind of been a love-hate

1340
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:54,279
relationship with that I think as well

1341
00:54:59,249 --> 00:54:56,920
some of the towns folk you know

1342
00:55:01,289 --> 00:54:59,259
entertain it or at least even if they

1343
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,299
just don't believe a lizard man it's

1344
00:55:06,269 --> 00:55:03,730
interesting folklore you know they they

1345
00:55:07,859 --> 00:55:06,279
they just counted as part of the history

1346
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:07,869
and then you've got a section of people

1347
00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,210
who just are like it's embarrassing they

1348
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:12,789
don't like it there's a restaurant there

1349
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:15,070
a restaurant there that

1350
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:17,830
has a lizard man motif to it it's called

1351
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:20,800
Harry and Harry - and the sign out front

1352
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:24,340
has a lizard man on it it's really cool

1353
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:26,530
and there was actually a lizard man

1354
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:29,220
festival that happened a few years ago

1355
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:32,920
that was put on down there and I was you

1356
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:34,150
know the keynote speaker for that

1357
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:37,990
obviously and but it was not put on as

1358
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:40,090
much by the community community in

1359
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,240
themselves there's a cotton museum down

1360
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:45,520
there at South Carolina cotton Museum

1361
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:48,040
and the people who work there and run

1362
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:50,770
that they love this because it's just

1363
00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:52,780
part of their the fabric of the history

1364
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:54,820
of Bishopville and they recognize that a

1365
00:56:01,320 --> 00:55:57,460
it's just part of our culture now and

1366
00:56:02,730 --> 00:56:01,330
you know if you google Bishopville you

1367
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:02,740
know you're going to come up with lizard

1368
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:06,610
man you can't escape it so they've over

1369
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:08,320
time people have tried to convince the

1370
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:11,530
local town commission or you know the

1371
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:13,840
the board of directors or whomever that

1372
00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:16,360
what's capitalized on this it is what it

1373
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:18,220
is let's have a lizard man festival and

1374
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:20,290
while they've incorporated the loser man

1375
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:22,330
into their cotton festivals there's you

1376
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:24,130
know a float with a lizard man and they

1377
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:26,470
they haven't really completely yet

1378
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:29,920
embraced that hey let's make this fun

1379
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:32,110
and have a festival so other than the

1380
00:56:37,850 --> 00:56:35,440
one which was organized by somebody who

1381
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:37,860
actually didn't live in Bishopville

1382
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:40,570
that's as far as it's gotten so it's

1383
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:50,230
still in the kind of love oh I'll just

1384
00:56:54,270 --> 00:56:51,940
say I'll say quick just because it

1385
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:54,280
reminds me of it what I think the six of

1386
00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:55,870
us have probably encountered more than

1387
00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:57,670
once and I and I'm sure a lot of the

1388
00:57:02,040 --> 00:56:58,990
people listening to this understand this

1389
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:02,050
is that um the average people out there

1390
00:57:05,790 --> 00:57:04,030
and the skeptics that disguise

1391
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:05,800
themselves as the bunkers are always

1392
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:07,960
saying oh they turn the profit oh they

1393
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:09,880
exploited Oh a small town wanted to

1394
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:12,100
celebrate the month man or the lizard

1395
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:15,310
man or a UFO crash in Roswell somehow

1396
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:19,750
that like hates the veracity of it but

1397
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:22,090
in my mind a local paper of commerce and

1398
00:57:24,610 --> 00:57:23,710
a local community trying to exploit

1399
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:24,620
anything

1400
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:26,450
to bring some attention on the

1401
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:27,890
traditional history of the town to turn

1402
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:30,200
a buck for their citizenry in no way

1403
00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:33,110
negates the the truthfulness of the

1404
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:35,240
original I wouldn't deciding like if you

1405
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,190
know doe ever wanted to have a demon

1406
00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:39,770
days I think I think all states should

1407
00:57:42,550 --> 00:57:41,360
have cryptid mascots and should be

1408
00:57:45,790 --> 00:57:42,560
celebrated but I think it's very

1409
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:45,800
important to to realize and I know it

1410
00:57:49,810 --> 00:57:47,630
sounds like I'm on the sofa so make it

1411
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:49,820
quick that just because a small town

1412
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:52,490
exploits and experience that happen does

1413
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:54,590
not mean that the experience itself was

1414
00:58:00,160 --> 00:57:56,800
created for the purpose of exploitation

1415
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:00,170
amen yeah you're precisely Ryan I mean

1416
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,880
it's it's they just need to look at it

1417
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:07,280
more in terms of people are fascinated

1418
00:58:11,590 --> 00:58:09,380
with monsters I mean look at all the

1419
00:58:15,730 --> 00:58:11,600
cable TV shows they don't realize that

1420
00:58:17,470 --> 00:58:15,740
hey having a local creature it's part of

1421
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:17,480
the culture even if you just look at it

1422
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:19,910
as hey you know we may not believe in it

1423
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:21,650
but let's do something but yeah that

1424
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:24,200
doesn't erase the fact that in 1988 we

1425
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:27,830
had real people undergoing lie detectors

1426
00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:31,270
investigated by the Sheriff's Department

1427
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:34,220
who claimed to have seen something and

1428
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:36,350
if you know if they want to have a

1429
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:38,510
festival the Mothman festival that has

1430
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:41,990
no effect on what actually happened and

1431
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:44,570
you know that's great if they do I love

1432
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:46,130
this stuff you know I hope they have a

1433
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,080
festival just because it's you meet

1434
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:50,000
people and talk to people and maybe

1435
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:52,580
that's when some person comes out comes

1436
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:54,110
to the vessel said well you know I saw

1437
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:56,980
it but I never said anything Nigel I I

1438
00:59:00,850 --> 00:58:58,930
you know people that criticize

1439
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:00,860
researchers and stuff are going to these

1440
00:59:05,110 --> 00:59:02,810
conferences like it's a big money things

1441
00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:05,120
like I have met a lot of people by

1442
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:08,150
networking even in a small town I would

1443
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:09,740
have never met these people because when

1444
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:11,270
they saw the festival they thought well

1445
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:13,820
I guess most they're not gonna laugh at

1446
00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:16,310
me if I go to this and then they come up

1447
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:18,080
to me and say you know I saw something

1448
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:20,810
boom now I've got another entry into the

1449
00:59:26,590 --> 00:59:23,330
log of sightings that I would never have

1450
00:59:28,090 --> 00:59:26,600
if the community hasn't embraced it yeah

1451
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:28,100
Wow by the way also you know people who

1452
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:29,750
criticize researchers for going to these

1453
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:31,460
events you know y'all are just in it for

1454
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:32,810
the money I also like to point out if I

1455
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:33,950
wanted to make money I'd go be an

1456
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:36,210
investment banker alright

1457
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:39,650
they must be doing what is this money

1458
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:42,300
seriously I'm counting all my tens of

1459
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:49,470
dollars that is I mean most of us who

1460
00:59:53,180 --> 00:59:50,670
are involved in this kind of stuff you

1461
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,190
know reality is we do other things you

1462
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:54,720
know often to supplement our income you

1463
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,150
know we're driven a lot of us I'd like

1464
01:00:00,980 --> 00:59:59,280
to think you know by a true passion like

1465
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:00,990
you're saying law for you know the

1466
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,940
interest that we all share in this and

1467
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:03,839
again you know people who are

1468
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:05,160
participating there in the chat same

1469
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,660
thing by the way a hello to my brother

1470
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:09,180
jazz who's in there and I saw some hate

1471
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:10,890
we'll talk a second ago going on over

1472
01:00:21,799 --> 01:00:18,809
there let's go Ike where's Ike it's fun

1473
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:21,809
subjects and you know and even you know

1474
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:24,210
go into the Roswell festival or somebody

1475
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:27,510
you know it's fun for everybody no

1476
01:00:30,859 --> 01:00:29,099
matter what interest you have from a

1477
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:30,869
researcher all the way to just somebody

1478
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:33,059
who like UFOs

1479
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:37,980
it provides a an outlet for all levels

1480
01:00:43,339 --> 01:00:40,530
of interest just to come together and to

1481
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,349
you know celebrate these as part of our

1482
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,540
history because they're the fun things

1483
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:48,480
in life to me you know it's like look at

1484
01:00:51,799 --> 01:00:50,130
what's going on the world at least we

1485
01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:51,809
can kind of take a break from that and

1486
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:54,619
talk about some really strange

1487
01:01:03,260 --> 01:00:59,010
phenomenon that's still going on it's a

1488
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:03,270
good diversion you know that's why Derek

1489
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,619
and I created this and we'll be cutting

1490
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,480
you guys as massive cheques later okay

1491
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:08,160
those of you I know at some point next

1492
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:14,220
week I mean there is a stipulation there

1493
01:01:19,579 --> 01:01:15,720
but yeah Derek do you have anything to

1494
01:01:21,609 --> 01:01:19,589
say in closing here I just wanted to ask

1495
01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:21,619
wanted to ask a quick question

1496
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:24,359
probably Lyle I guess these footprints

1497
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:25,890
that are associated with I believe the

1498
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:28,260
Chris Davis encounter what are your

1499
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:29,640
thoughts on these things because I look

1500
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,250
at them and and Wow I wait and say what

1501
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:34,319
I think after you do that I'm curious

1502
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:35,849
what you think about the footprints that

1503
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:39,030
were found yeah yeah I get asked about

1504
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:42,900
that and essentially those were a few

1505
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:44,730
weeks after the Christopher Davis

1506
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:48,540
incident the Sheriff's Department got a

1507
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:49,890
call late at night

1508
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:53,250
the deputies went out to this Bramblett

1509
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:55,350
Road which runs down by scape ore swamp

1510
01:02:00,290 --> 01:01:58,530
and they were patrolling because this is

1511
01:02:01,490 --> 01:02:00,300
limited said she heard some weird stuff

1512
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:01,500
that they wouldn't have normally

1513
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,120
responded to you but in this case they

1514
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:06,660
did but they went past and as they were

1515
01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:09,030
coming back they saw what looked like

1516
01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:10,800
footprints across the road and they got

1517
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:14,750
out and looked and they saw these rather

1518
01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:21,660
large they have oval pads and there's

1519
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,180
three big toes and they're rather

1520
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:26,460
exaggerated they look monstrous but

1521
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:30,450
somewhat not you know biologically sound

1522
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:33,330
or solid as far as what an animal print

1523
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:35,220
would make but they could see no

1524
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:38,010
evidence of how they were made there was

1525
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:41,430
no footprints there was no car treads or

1526
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:43,830
tire tracks and nothing there just there

1527
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,630
were these big things and they tromped

1528
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:47,460
off way off into the woods and they kind

1529
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:48,690
of followed them for a while with a

1530
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:50,370
flashlight and then they got spooked and

1531
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:52,350
we're like I don't know what this is I'm

1532
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:53,880
left so the next day they came down

1533
01:02:58,790 --> 01:02:56,490
there and got the game warden and

1534
01:03:01,460 --> 01:02:58,800
everybody else and sheriff Truesdale and

1535
01:03:03,020 --> 01:03:01,470
they you know the the Wildlife

1536
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,030
Commission just kind of wrote it off

1537
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:04,640
they're like these don't even look real

1538
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:07,710
but fortunately they had the wherewithal

1539
01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:10,110
to cast these tracks and they cast

1540
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:11,790
several of them that's the good thing

1541
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:14,130
about this case usually the police don't

1542
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:16,260
do anything I've got half a David's I've

1543
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:18,420
got drawings I've got the footprint cast

1544
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:22,170
to it to be able to look at today but

1545
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:24,390
the tracks to me I mean look at them

1546
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:27,450
they just look hokey right off the bat

1547
01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:30,900
and the story behind those as that

1548
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:33,060
investigate I mean I talk about this as

1549
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,970
it unfolds in the book so I try not to

1550
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:36,960
spoilers if somebody wants to read it

1551
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,160
but ultimately yes those are suspect at

1552
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:44,480
the very least they don't look natural

1553
01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:47,640
and they are exaggerated and they

1554
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:50,190
perpetuate this three-toed tract thing

1555
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:51,930
people are costing with a big with the

1556
01:03:56,540 --> 01:03:54,330
boggy creek and the honey island swamp

1557
01:04:00,020 --> 01:03:56,550
monster and the lizard man always a

1558
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,030
three-toed Trek but the thing I believe

1559
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:02,400
about this is is this happens in a few

1560
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:03,330
of these cases where

1561
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:04,770
all these sightings start coming out

1562
01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:06,750
well you've always got Joker's who are

1563
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:09,120
wanting to add to it and a gimmick

1564
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:11,640
doesn't take take away from the what the

1565
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:14,760
witnesses originally reported but you've

1566
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:17,610
got to be suspect that now kids are

1567
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:19,260
naturally going to go out and do

1568
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:21,090
something it kind of add to it because

1569
01:04:25,940 --> 01:04:23,910
it's going to be in the newspaper but I

1570
01:04:28,570 --> 01:04:25,950
don't think those are tied to the

1571
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:28,580
sightings you know these footprints are

1572
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:32,010
hokey and you can go down to the South

1573
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:33,960
Carolina and cotton museum and see those

1574
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,930
footprints to this day so I really think

1575
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:38,400
that was just something that somebody

1576
01:04:44,090 --> 01:04:41,330
tried to add to the case and it wasn't

1577
01:04:50,810 --> 01:04:44,100
the actual footprint of the creature

1578
01:04:58,340 --> 01:04:50,820
that people had reported I mean I'm sure

1579
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,350
you might agree pretty much the same

1580
01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:01,200
thing I just don't look biological the

1581
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:03,120
three toe thing really throws me off for

1582
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:05,130
a bipedal creature like that unless it's

1583
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:08,610
some sort of bird my thought was that

1584
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:10,740
maybe it was a gator track that somebody

1585
01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:12,090
kind of messed with a little bit to make

1586
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:13,620
it a little longer make it look a little

1587
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:17,850
more humanistic or whatever to alter the

1588
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,610
shape of it but I'm not just like the

1589
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:22,380
honey island swamp monster tracks I'm

1590
01:05:26,570 --> 01:05:25,020
just not a big fan yeah and they're

1591
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:26,580
definitely not Gator tracks that were

1592
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:29,370
altered and there was there were

1593
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:31,290
multiple tracks you know usually there's

1594
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:33,090
just one track then it's you know who

1595
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:34,770
knows but there were multiple and they

1596
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:39,590
the sheriff's leach don't can't figure

1597
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:41,400
out how they were made and that was kind

1598
01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:42,930
of a weird thing under itself is how

1599
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:44,820
those tracks were made in that short

1600
01:05:54,860 --> 01:05:46,650
period of time that those police had

1601
01:05:57,050 --> 01:05:54,870
driven by but well guys well let's start

1602
01:06:00,980 --> 01:05:57,060
with you of work and everybody finds you

1603
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:00,990
and your work just dropped by Lyle

1604
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:03,870
Blackburn comm and that's got links to

1605
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:07,070
all my various projects books

1606
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:09,510
participation in the small town monsters

1607
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:12,090
documentaries which you can see those on

1608
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:14,250
Amazon Prime you can give my books on

1609
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,040
Amazon as well in

1610
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:19,380
both paperback and kindle and you can

1611
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:21,780
buy those direct from my store there's a

1612
01:06:25,550 --> 01:06:24,180
link at lau blackburn calm so it's drop

1613
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:25,560
out there and if you've seen anything

1614
01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:27,690
weird or that you think I should know

1615
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:31,230
about definitely drop me a line Myka how

1616
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:33,450
about you yeah it's easy to find Micah

1617
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:36,210
Hanks calm is of course the website and

1618
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:37,380
right there on the website you'll find

1619
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,970
all the podcasts and other stuff I'm

1620
01:06:42,830 --> 01:06:40,680
involved with including all the

1621
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:42,840
archaeology stuff and there will be some

1622
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:44,730
new projects in the next hopefully few

1623
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:47,490
weeks so it's encrypted things stuff so

1624
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:50,100
I'm kind of excited about that Mister

1625
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,070
plan man uh you can find me it's

1626
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:55,440
somewhere in the skies calm all my

1627
01:06:59,660 --> 01:06:57,570
upcoming projects on the trial of your

1628
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,670
O's be sure to check out Mike and I are

1629
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:01,740
both a part of that amazing project by

1630
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:06,660
small town monsters you can watch my CW

1631
01:07:11,420 --> 01:07:08,130
network television show mysteries

1632
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:11,430
decoded for free @ CW c-calm and

1633
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:13,890
otherwise yep just look me up everywhere

1634
01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:18,780
and mr. Rob morphine you can find the

1635
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:21,270
podcast I do the cripton a podcast with

1636
01:07:26,180 --> 01:07:23,850
mark stores and karna celli at krypton a

1637
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:26,190
podcast calm but it's available on

1638
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,590
iTunes stitcher every platform available

1639
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:30,960
a resource site which was formerly

1640
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:33,480
American Monsters is now crypto Pia dot

1641
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:35,340
u s and that's where you see a lot of

1642
01:07:39,790 --> 01:07:36,570
articles and everyone just wants to

1643
01:07:42,110 --> 01:07:39,800
check out my artwork Rob Morecambe and

1644
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,120
Derek Hayes don't you have a little show

1645
01:07:45,620 --> 01:07:43,980
called paranormal caught on camera

1646
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:45,630
coming on tonight isn't that why we did

1647
01:07:50,570 --> 01:07:48,900
tonight's edition a little bit early do

1648
01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:50,580
you know we had to move herself they

1649
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:52,350
moved the show to Sunday so apparently

1650
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:55,770
at 6 o'clock Pacific time 9 o'clock

1651
01:07:58,760 --> 01:07:57,450
Eastern paranormal caught on camera on

1652
01:08:00,590 --> 01:07:58,770
the Travel Channel you can also find

1653
01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:00,600
mania of monsters mangas podcasts

1654
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:03,540
wherever you can find podcast and of

1655
01:08:08,180 --> 01:08:06,180
course into the fray radio.com 4 into

1656
01:08:10,550 --> 01:08:08,190
the fray thank you guys so much for

1657
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:10,560
doing this with us and I'm sure all of

1658
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,510
us will be talking again soon at some

1659
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,760
points so everybody out there thanks for

1660
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:17,759
joining us in the chat and we'll see you

1661
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:21,210
on the flippity-flop everybody good

1662
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:22,799
night and good luck guys

1663
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:25,859
yes good night

1664
01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:31,309
[Laughter]

1665
01:08:38,519 --> 01:08:36,749
dereck you shutting her down yep no